That’s a line from a Fabreeze Brothers song that didn’t make the album (the rhymes will be resurrected elsewhere, trust me on that)… but yeah, when I was a youngster in the earrrrrly days of Hip Hop I drew up some party flyers for Mount Vernon’s legendary Collins Bros. crew. For those who weren’t around or in the NYC area in those days, the Collins Bros. rocked with all the Hip Hop pioneers- see the other names on the flyer- and definitely paved the way for the next generation coming out of the Money Earnin’ / Now Rule area (Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Heavy D & The Boys, Brand Nubian etc.). My dude Mark Collins aka DJ Mark C recently posted a pic of this flyer from 1980 on Facebook and I bugged out! Haven’t seen this in 34 years. So it’s nice to see my own direct link to the original days of Hip Hop- I wasn’t rhyming or deejaying yet, but I was soaking it all in at the jams way back then and putting in work with the pen and ink even as a youngin’ (I love the creativity of writing lyrics, spinning records for mixes, making beats etc. but my natural god given talent is drawing pictures above everything else). This is my history right here- thanks to Mark C. for letting me revisit a time that helped shape who I am today.


Thirty years after the seminal Hip Hop movie Wild Style hit theaters, it’s great to see the Fantastic Romantic Five (Kevie Kev, his brother Master Rob, Rubie Dee, Prince Whipper Whip & Dot-A-Rock) still rockin’ the stage like they did back in the days. In a word… fantastic.


A schittload of old school tapes have flooded the internets since I first started dropping my Hip Hop Lessons for the holidays a few years back, so I wasn’t so sure that there was still a need for me to continue with it. But, as always, the people have spoken and informed me that the world is still in need of an education on the true meaning of Hip Hop. So here we go again-

COLD CRUSH BROTHERS vs. DOCTOR ROCK & THE FORCE MC’S One of the great battle tapes from Hip Hop’s early days, a battle that was really more like a sucker punch TKO. The CC4 had no idea that a battle was even taking place, so they did their normal show then bounced to go make another engagement later that night. After the Cold Crush was gone from the premises, the Force MC’s took the stage and proceeded to go at them with an unprecedented level of sheer disrespect, even beyond Kool Moe Dee vs. Busy Bee preportions. As legend has it, when the Cold Crush later got wind of what had gone down, they made a point of stepping to the Force HARD the next time their paths crossed- made them apologize and seriously warned them to never pull a stunt like that again. What surprised me when I read about this battle was that the Force MC’s really were not all that respected among the top groups of the day… I know they were from Staten Island, which at that time I guess was like being from Martha’s Vinyard as far as the hardcore Bronx dudes were concerned. But I’d heard so many tapes where the Force was rocking at shows with all the other groups and were killing it with the harmonies and routines, I just assumed that everybody respected them as being among the elite. Regardless, they most definitely made their mark in the streets with this battle- if you don’t already have it you certainly need it.

COLD CRUSH BROTHERS & TREACHEROUS THREE BOATRIDE TO BEAR MOUNTAIN, 1982I used to go to Bear Mountain (in Verplanck, NY) almost every summer when I was a teenager… a great place to see nature and all that schitt but also an ideal spot to bring a few cases of brew and find a secluded flat rock up in the hills where you could get busy with the fly girly of your choosing. Such fond memories. Anyway, it seems that some of the early Hip Hop legends also used to venture out to the Mountain- by boat, it would appear- and actually did shows during their fantastic voyage. This clip features LA Sunshine and Moe Dee of the Treach rockin’ the m-i-c along with Easy AD, JDL and GMC of the Cold Crush, with the highlight being Caz not only saying the original “Knucklehead Rap” but ALSO the rarely heard part two.

TREACHEROUS THREE FREESTYLING Yes, I know I post a lot of clips with the Treach rhyming… an indication of how much admiration I have for the group and their skills in their heyday. I was blown away by “New Rap Language” back in 1980 and just thought T3 had the best rhymes out of all the other groups runnin’ schitt in the early days. Most crews back then had one or maybe two emcees who were strong and then the rest of them were kinda nondescript, but all three of the Treacherous rappers were real nice IMO… super clear voices, style, intelligent well constructed lyrics, etc. For me, not much beats hearing Moe, LA and K rhyming to “Life On Mars”, “Truck Turner”, etc… RAW.

MASTERDON AND DEATH COMMITTEE (a.k.a. The Turn It Out Three), HARLEM WORLD 1982 – A couple of clips from one of my favorite old school tapes. Always love those Death Committee routines back when Boo-Ski was down with the crew. And BTW, for those who don’t know, in the Hip Hop world “def” was spelled D-E-A-T-H before Def Jam records hit the scene in ’84.

FEARLESS FOUR at HARLEM WORLD, 1982 – Since a few people requested more Fearless Four recently and my homeboy Oldskool4real said he hadn’t heard many tapes with the whole crew together, here’s a clip with DLB, Tito, Mike C and Peso passing the mic around during one of their shows at Harlem World sometime between the release of “It’s Magic” and “Rockin’ It”. Would’ve included more of their performance but IMO their harmonizing routines really were not their strongpoint so I cut those parts out… maybe I’ll drop the whole show some other time.
SOULSONIC FORCE & JAZZY JAY at the T-CONNECTION, 1980Love those Zulu Nation tapes- they’re always rocking some beats you don’t hear on anybody else’s tapes. This time I’m hearing stuff like Kenny Rogers‘ “Tulsa Turnaround” and “Funky Soul Shake” by E.T. White.

There you have it… as always, if you are looking for the full tapes and / or for other long lost old school live Hip Hop cassettes, hit up my brother Troy L. Smith over at the Old School Hip Hop forum (and Troy, if you want to feel free to leave your contact info in the comments or get in touch with me and I’ll put the info up right here). Class dismissed.


This is probably something that I’ve said before (maybe even tens of times before), but f— it, I’m gonna say it again- most people who use the term “Hip Hop” don’t really know what it means. Even dudes who think they are the most hardcore real Hip Hop characters who keep a Jansport perched on their shoulder blades 24-7 and the Raekwon purple tape pumpin’ in their Sony Walkman on the reg.
Now please, don’t get all aggy with me over that statement- I’m not trying to pull a more-Hip Hop-than-thou move on y’all (although maybe I am, but that’s not my point). I’m not the leading authority on all things Hip Hop, not by a longshot. Somebody like a Li’l Rodney C might tell me that I don’t really know what Hip Hop means, either! It’s all about perspective.
But my whole point is that those old school live jam tapes from the 70’s into the early 80’s are the TRUEST definition of what Hip Hop is. That era is where the term originated and EVERYTHING that has come after is the offspring of those rough, raw cassette tapes that captured the pioneers rocking parties in the playgrounds, skating rinks, high schools, community centers etc. of NYC, sometimes doing it for no more than a love of the art, neighborhood fame and “pizza money”. (I could go on and on to the break of dawn on this subject, but I’ll control myself).
I had a handful of these tapes since way back in the early 80’s (and coulda had many more if I’d have known at the time that they would be such important pieces of history- of course I was thinking of no such schitt back then), then copped a lot more during the 90’s and early 2000’s thanks to people like Gregory Moore, Ran-Dee, Kev-Ski, Grandmaster Caz and others. But with all due respect going out to those folks, my dude Troy L. Smith from Harlem is the undisputed G.O.A.T. when it comes to the old school tapes. Right now the brother owns well over 200 joints and the collection is steadily growing thanks to what has to be a relentless effort to obtain these diamonds (if you know like I know, it is NOT easy getting these tapes some 30 or so years after the fact).
Not only that, but Troy is killin’ ’em with his many interviews with sooooo many cats that time has unfortunately forgotten, like the Master Ice of the Jazzy 5, Coke La Rock and Barry B-Stro of the Crash Crew just to name a few (if you have never experienced Jay-Quan‘s Foundation site, featuring a plethora of incredibly illuminating interviews conducted by both Jay and Troy, you are truly sleeping so wake up and get over there as soon as you’re done over here if you have any interest at all about the real origins of Hip Hop music). I’m just gonna cut to the chase and say it like this- Troy, your contributions to preserving the history of Hip Hop are much appreciated here at THAT REAL SCHITT.
BTW, Troy has been dropping tons of his latest tapes free of charge over at the Old School Hip Hop forum (I told you about that a couple of posts ago) and he’s been so kind as to allow THAT REAL SCHITT to carry the links as well. So download to your heart’s content and do the cool thing by saying thanks to Troy in the comments for sharing these gifts with the world. A shout also goes out to Peace Won over at OSHH for taking the time to up all these joints for Troy. The meaning of Hip Hop… congratulations, you now have it.

222 – FUNK MACHINE 1979

In a word… wow. Don’t forget to thank Troy in the comments for this one, my people.


Gangstarr – The Ownerz lp – I remember being fairly disappointed with this record when it first dropped, but it seems to have aged pretty nicely IMO. If you’re like me and weren’t really feelin’ this back when it came out, I’d recommend revisiting it. Some of this schitt is straight bangin’, like WTF was I thinkin’ back in 2003 or whenever.
Sparkle Motion – Flight School Vol. 180’s R&B breaks mix by DJ Yoda and my man Tobes from Spinemagazine… real innovative idea and lots of hot Jheri curl juice beats! Download that schitt, it’s dope.
Slick Rick & Dougie Fresh at Lincoln Projects, 1984 – this was one of my favorite tapes back in the days… “Vanessa Williams” ftw! Now if I could just get a copy of the Davy Crockett schitt my life would be complete.
Treacherous Three1978 (live tape)- Troy L. Smith (the old school tape G.O.A.T.) does it again! Kool Moe Dee & LA Sunshine sound like kids on this (I guess because they pretty much were kids). You can d/l that and other old school live joints that Troy was nice enough to bestow on the populace over at the Old School Hip Hop forum – most definitely the place to be (you have to be registered to get to the trading section, which is where the magic happens).
Menahan Street Band – Home Again
KRS-One – Adventures In Emceeing lpKris has recorded a lot of stuff in the 2000’s that most people probably don’t even know about, but I like a lot of the latter day KRS material. He still can rap circles around damn near everybody, and whether you agree with what he’s saying or not you gotta respect a man who tries to put out thought provoking music (but, of course, this is teh ringtone rap age where thought provoking music seems to be the LAST thing that people want… oops, let me stop before somebody calls me old lololol lulllz lmfao smh).
Mobb Deep – The Infamous – I been deep on some ’95 era NYC grimey rap schitt lately
Ghostface Killah – Iron ManI have yet to tire of Starks in his prime.
V.A. – Walk On By and Look Of Love comps by RaymunI downloaded this schitt off of Soulseek, two homemade comps with a lot of versions of these two songs that I guess were put together by this dude Raymun. Well, I got STARTED downloading them- about four songs into the Look Of Love folder this muthaf***a decided to ban me! For no good reason! So I’m puttin’ you on blast just to strike a blow for all Soulseekers who have been banned from downloading without cause- that’s that wack schitt, homie.


I figure that my annual Hip Hop Lessons have taught the masses enough about the true meaning of Hip Hop that I really don’t have to go all out with the old school park jam tapes this year (plus whoever flooded the internets with all those Cold Crush / Bambaataa / Crash Crew / Furious 5 etc. mp3s over at the Wu-Tang Corp. and other sites gave y’all enough lessons to last a lifetime or even longer). But I will still celebrate the spirit of my original Thankstakings Day posts and drop another old school gem on y’all while I wait for the wife to finish cooking the turducken or whatever it is she’s cooking that has the whole house smellin’ good and schitt and got a brutha hongry as a muhfuhr.
This one is the second part of the Mr. Hyde / Mr. Bond / Starchild / Ronnie Green jam at Foster Center from 1979 that I posted previously (but has now been zapped by Z-Share, so until it gets requested and I re-up it, it’s gone). I’ve had like hundreds of old school tapes over the years, but I must say that this is one of my favorites. Not necessarily the best, but I just like the hell out of this schitt. No planned out routines, no harmonizing, no showstopping moments, just the basic essence of Hip Hop- mc rhymes, breakbeats and echo chamber. This dude Starchild, who I never heard of other than on this tape (I’m pretty sure this ain’t Kool Kyle), is crazy def with the nursery rhymes; Mr. Bond has the raw b-boy style; and Mr. Hyde kills it on a couple of occassions (Hyde definitely should be mentioned when you talk about the best of the early emcees IMO). And Ronnie Green’s beat selection is always fresh to me.
BTW and FYI, Jekyll & Hyde‘s DJ Ronnie Green is actually better known to some as Captain Rock (yes, the same Captain Rock who had a few electro rap hits back in the 80’s). Funny story about Captain Rock- me and my crew did a show opening for Captain Rock back around 1985 or so. We did our thing, then went out into the crowd to watch the good Captain’s set. Well, I guess Rock and his crew must have been moonlighting as male strippers when they weren’t engaged in teh electro rap because midway through their show they did this little choreographed move where they slightly lowered their slacks and… man, I can’t even describe it any further without being on some serious PAUSE schitt. I feel soft even admitting that my eyes saw this schitt happening. So I’ll leave the rest of that to your own imagination… I guess the girls in the front row liked it, though. Me, I just wish I woulda stayed backstage.

Another BTW- the pic at the top of this post is just one of the great back-in-the-days flicks by Jamel Shabazz. You should already be well aware of the brother’s incredible work, but if not Google up some samples and then buy as many of his books that your Paypal account will allow for. RECOMMENDED REAL SCHITT MATERIAL.



I can’t believe I made it, but I did… 12 months of posting on this THAT REAL SCHITT blog. In this past year I’ve endured a bout of vertigo, a dead external hard drive, operating system headaches with my Macbook, a lingering case of internet ennui (which I am still suffering from), the continued death of Hip Hop and a f**ked up hip courtesy of Walt Disney, yet I’m still here. I make no promises about how far into the second year of Real Schittery we will get, but for now here we are.
To celebrate the fact that I haven’t yet said “f**k this schitt, I’m through with it”, we’re not going to do anything very special- we’ll just keep doing what we’ve been doing. Well, actually I guess it’s kinda special, as in Special K of the Treacherous 3. One of my favorite old school tapes from waaaay back was this joint with the Cold Crush Brothers and The Treacherous Three (minus Kool Moe Dee but with DLB of the Fearless Four standing in for Moe). T La Rock‘s little brother Special K really shines on this clip as he comes out from Kool Moe’s considerable shadow and takes control of things, plus LA Sunshine pretty much kills it too (I never understood why LA was sometimes referred to as a “hype man” for the Treacherous… he always totally held his own with the lyrics AND the old school swag IMHO). Hearing the Microphone Wizard DLB gettin’ down with these dudes was the icing on the cake for me.
Like I always say, you can’t listen to these clips from damn near 30 years ago and totally appreciate them without putting yourself back into that time period- this was way before Rakim, Kool G Rap, Biggie, Jay-Z, Li’l Wayne (heh heh), etc, etc. At the moment that this stuff was happening, these cats were IT. There wasn’t anything better or more advanced than this. When you heard a new tape like this one, it was a head blowing experience for us young b-boys because you’d never heard anything so dope in your life. This joint was definitely one of the ones for me.
So anyway, I hope you enjoy this present, and if you have enjoyed any of the other olden gifts I have bestowed in the past 365 days, feel free to drop me a comment and say HAPPY REAL SCHITT DAY! It’s a celebration.


Oh, and one other thing… we are finally, one year late, officially WWW.THATREALSCHITT.COM … no more “blogspot” stuck up in the url. Your old bookmarks are still good, though.


I know I’ve been slow with the real schittery lately… I think I’m getting to that point where I’m just bored with it all and ready to move on to something else. This always happens to me and is the reason why I don’t get a lot of projects finished. Well, it’s been almost a full year of THAT REAL SCHITT, so I’m gonna try to keep it going at least until the 1st anniversary. Maybe I’ll go wild and drop a bunch of my secret weapon exclusive joints as a going away present to you all… well, don’t hold me to that, I’m just rambling right now. Who knows, I may keep posting on this blog for the next ten years (don’t count on that, but I guess we won’t count anything out either).
This time around we’re going back to the old school- I think this is like the first time since I dropped that holiday real schittload of live old school mp3s, isn’t it? This is another one that I believe has already been making the rounds all over the internet blogosphere, but if you haven’t copped already you need to scoop it up and add it to your collection now, because it’s a classic. This is part of the infamous battle between the L-Brothers and Kool Herc & The Herculoids from way way back in the prehistoric days of Hip Hop, 1978. Or, as I like to call it, 1 B.S.H. (meaning one year before Sugar Hill). The L-Brothers line up consisted of DJ’s Cordio, Mean Gene and boy wonder Theodore, and MC’s Kevie Kev, Robby Rob (later known as Master Rob) and Busy Bee Starsky. What’s really ill about this battle is that you have a young Kev, who couldn’t have been much more than 14 or 15 at the time, talking much schitt at Herc, who was the established king since the early 70’s, and his crew. I mean serious disrespect going on here, and this was like 3 or 4 years before Kool Moe Dee took it to Busy! Keep in mind this is 1978, so it’s not like you’re gonna hear the crews spittin’ rhymes directed at each other… it wasn’t done that way back then. Regardless, this is a great piece of lost history right here that is a must-have for anybody who really cares about said history. The sound’s a little distorted, but who cares… you can’t really expect a tape this old to sound but so great. Highlights, other than Kev’s schitt talking: Starski getting loose over a “Fruit Song” / Truck Turner beat mix and young lady emcee Smiley letting all the partygoers know that she’s a “jazzy muthaf**ka”. There also some Fantastic Romantic 5 stuff stuck at the end of this clip, probably from around 1981 or so.



Since I didn’t give y’all any audio for the Philly Golden Era post, I’m gonna do y’all a solid and hit you with some Philly Hip Hop that’s even older and rarer. Thanks to my boy dhammondb3 who hollared at me in the comments, I now have a few new old school Philly live Hip Hop bangers to add to my collection (I’m pretty nice with the New York stuff but woefully deficient on the Philly side of things). I’m hittin’ you with a 1983 clip recorded at Martin Luther King High School in G-Town featuring legendary Philly DJ Cosmic Kev (young bols may know him better as “Strickly Skillz”… same dude) and an assortment of Philly emcees including local legend Parry P, who was like THE man on the Philly rap landscape back in those days. They’re jiggin’ it to, what else, the Philly old school anthem “Dance To The Drummer’s Beat” by Herman Kelly and Life. I’m gonna post some more stuff like this in the future, so if anybody out there has some of that Philadelph heat from back in the day feel free to contact me at so we can trade or I can buy, whatever’s clever. In the meantime, let’s all eat cheesesteaks and pretzels while we listen to this schitt.

Correction: this clip was originally mislabelled as being from 1981- it’s actually from 1983. I changed all the info in the post to 1983 but the MP3 itself is still gonna say 1981. So if you download and care at all about accuracy, please change the MP3 from “Cosmic Kev & Parry P @ MLK 1981” to “Cosmic Kev & Parry P @ MLK 1983“. Peace up.


The THANKSTAKING DAY Hip Hop Lessons extravaganza last month was such a smash success that I had to give it to ya one more time. I’m just so pleased that here it is, just a few days away from 2008 and there are STILL a lot of cats, young and old, who care about the roots of Hip Hop music and want to learn or just hear more. We do this to pay homage to not only what was done in the past but also what is being done today and what will be done in the future (Hip Hop is NOT dead), and remember that there could be no now and tomorrow without yesterday. It’s a celebration, snitches!

This is an early Cold Crush tape with the brothers doing a lot of freestyling and some different routines that aren’t the same as the ones they did on almost every one of their tapes from later in the 80’s.

WHIPPER WHIP DOTA ROCK and EASY AD – freestyling live at South Bronx High School, 1980 RE-UPPED
This short clip is great to me because the mc’s are rhyming to the Norma Jean “High Society” record, which I never heard anybody rhyme to before and it sounds fr-fr-FRESH.

More def schitt from Se’ Devine The Mastermind and Just Allah The Superstar– for this show Staten Island’s Force MCs came through to bless the mic with their harmonic rap schitt. Be sure to check the callers, too… the people calling into the show were one of the best things about it IMO.

BOOGIE BOYS, BUSY BEE STARSKI & DJ AJ, 1981 RE-UPPED – The Boogie Boys, best known for their 80’s records like “Rappin’ Ain’t No Thing” and “A Fly Girl”, are a crew that you don’t hear a lot on the old live tapes (well I haven’t heard many of their tapes, anyway) but they definitely rock it well. Along with the Chief Rocker they get real busy on this one

BIZ MARKIE, BIG DADDY KANE & TJ SWANN at the Masonic Temple in Spring Valley NY, 1986 RE-UPPED
This clip has already been circulating around the ‘net so you may already have it, but if not you certainly need it. Biz & Kane do a pretty good take off on Doug E. Fresh & Slick Rick‘s routines and definitely rock the house for the jazzy young lay-tees.

LISA LEE, RAHIEM & POW WOW at an outdoor jam, 1979 (plus some FUNKY 4 as an extra bonus) RE-UPPED
It’s always great to hear Hip Hop that predates The Sugar Hill Gang‘s “Rapper’s Delight” and any other rap music on record- totally the definition of THAT REAL SCHITT. And it’s even greater to hear the queen of mc’s Lisa Lee get loose on the mic- when the female pioneers of rap are talked about her name is rarely mentioned but that’s a mistake because she was not only one of the first but also one of the nicest.

RAYVON & JOHNNY WA (and The Magnificent Seven) at Randy’s Place RE-UPPED
A lot of rappers today boast about being hustlers, but Rayvon was really doin’ it back before a lot of these current rap dudes were even born (and like most cats who really lived the life he’s quick to say that he’s not proud of any of that because those choices he made ultimately messed up his life). Both Rayvon and Johnny Wa went to prison before they had a chance to make any records or do anything big, but folks back in the days know how fly they were on the mic. You can read Rayvon’s story at my man Jayquan’s site The Foundation (required real schitt reading).

ZULU NATION 1980 RE-UPPED – This tape may not be the greatest you’ve ever heard, but it is a great example of how eclectic the musical selection of Afrika Bambaataa and his Zulu Nation dj’s was. Some of you may have seen the famous list of Bambaataa’s all time favorite records that came out in various publications back in the 80’s and said “no WAY was he actually playing some of this stuff at parties in the Bronx, was he?” Oh, yes he was! I won’t even tell you what you’re gonna hear, just bust it for yourself.

another short but so-so fresh clip with the Jazzy 5 and DJ Jazzy Jay KILLIN’ IT.

KING BOYS- live in Greenwich Connecticut, 1983 RE-UPPED
Now I’m hittin’ y’all with some of that “third unheard” schitt… the King Boys were a crew that I went to high school with back in the town I grew up in, Norwalk, Connecticut. I designed party flyers for them as well as another local crew called THG (Town Heights Gangsters) and also a crew from out of nearby White Plains NY known as the Collins Brothers. Terry Tuff what up, b!

CRASH CREW the infamous shoot out on stage RE-UPPED
Schitt gets no realer than this, homepiss. Before the Crash can even get into their show real good the shots ring out and the mics get dropped! OHHHH SNAP!

AFRIKA ISLAM- Zulu Beats show on WHBI, 1983 RE-UPPED – Another one that’s been floating around for a minute, but if you don’t already own it you need to get it now.

MC RICKY D- practicing over CHILL WILL’s crib, 1984 RE-UPPED
A small clip of a young Slick Rick kickin’ that fly schitt as only he can do it back in his Kangol Crew days.

A-ight, that’s it… hope y’all appreciate all this dope schitt (FREE dope schitt at that!). I ain’t doin’ this again until next Thanksgiving (if I ever do it again at all), so enjoy it in the name of true school preservation. PEACE OUT.